3DS Max 2019.3 features revealed

Oh no! Not at all!!

They can say they´ve fixed all the bugs they´ve fixed.

It´s not that they can´t say anything, they can say whatever they want, they can even say that an egg shaped spline it´s a brilliant new feature 🙂

The thing that looks funny to me is that Autodesk is charging an absurd amount of money for their time limited licenses, and what they do with that absurd amount of money is barely related with the software people is paying for.

Autodesk fixing 100 bugs in 4 months… come on, they should have an army of developers with the amount of money they charge, Max should be the first and top most advanced application ever, Maya should be that too, since in theory is the most industry standard app, the most used, the most sold one, the most in everything… but so far people is seeing 100 bug fixed in 4 months (or 3, I´m not sure) and some smaller features, and in each point release people see some small features or the semi-implementation of something acquired ages ago that suddenly is the most modern feature ever (except maya had it for ages…).

What I´m saying is that knowing that Blender has a fast pace of bug solving with a small team of developers (The same goes for C4D or Houdini AFAIK), a fast pace in solid feature development, a proper, clear and open development calendar, and seeing that they are paying tons of money to Autodesk and Autodesk is giving them a slow pace of fixing bugs, basically no real innovation in the core package and all those things I´ve said many many times, and even trying to convince them to give them their permanent licenses for some discount in a rental license… this should make Autodesk users angry and completely outrageous, I´m not saying anyone should be leaving Autodesk (as you know I belive in that, but in this case I´m not saying that) I´m saying that users should be SUPER upset, because they are paying A LOT of money to basically have the same thing you had with Max 2017 (a pair of minor tools here and there, a basic Bifrost implementation, some more spline tools and Arnold without any network rendering license, not even a batch render license and the loss of iRay and MentalRay (iRay was cool)).
Meanwhile other packages, not just Blender, but also Houdini or C4D, are evolving, are doing innovation investments and are developing for their users, not for their stakeholders, Autodesk should re-learn a basic rule of business… client comes first.

So… as I said, they can say whatever they want, they always did, but I cannot understand users not being more angry, except I know a lot of users are angry but instead of trying to fight Autodesk (like when the licenses were shifted to only rental) they are looking in other places and leaving Autodesk, and now it´s not just an opinion, you can see examples all over the small to medium studios, not in the mamooth industry companies of course, these are slow, but give time to time, M&E, a division that historically has given losses to Autodesk is going not just to give more losses, but also will loose many clients, and what do you think stakeholders will do with a division of the business that is not profitable anymore?

Softimage was amazing and was killed, I´m´not saying they want to kill max or maya, not yet 🙂 but for sure, people will stop seeing max or maya installed in their computers sooner than later, I hope every Autodesk user loves the cloud and ONLY the cloud 🙂

Cheers!

Oh no! by no means I think you are working only in those bug fixing amd those small features, I know that, of course I´m sure you are working in bigger new features and other things.

But the development pace you have is limited, I´m sure about that, when theoretically you should be able to make max evolve VERY fast, faster than any other package in the market, and in then end you are not, not your fault as I said in other post, but release after release you know what I mean, you have been in the other side before being PM.

And by the way, when I say “they can say” I mean marketing department, they say what they want and they try to sell smoke some times, even when there is no need for that 😛

Yeah, write somewhere where I will never look, so that I can see what I want to see and not being open to other ideas. Just like Facebook where if we don’t like something we hide it, and create a small world that repeats us what we want to see. You know juang, is very hard to change my mind about my beliefs, I am not used to things that change and is much easier to keep thinking that max or Maya are still the best softwares out there. After all I’ve used them since long time.. I’m very scared this would mean I’ve been wrong, I don’t want to be wrong and admit that, and learn a new software, it took me so much time to master Max, I would start again as a noob… No no no.. too scary.

Paranoia?

You mean that it was a paranoia when we warned about only-rental and Autodesk said it was not going to happen and then it happnened?

You mean paranoia when I’m telling you that years you won’t have Autodesk software installed in your computer and Autodesk says it’s not going to happen?

I’m sorry, you may disagree, but there is no paranoia at all, if you like to keep paying Autodesk for not innnovate, for increasing your price and reducing the developers count, for ignoring your needs, your bugs, for forcing you to adapt yourself to whatever they want, I have no problem with that.

But I could argue the same thing for you, stop trying to convince people that Autodesk is good and no one should hear stories from people that think different?

Stop trying to say people that think different that they should talk in a different place because it bothers you.

This is not 3dsmax section, this was present in the general news section, I’m sorry if you don’t like this, just ignore my posts 🙂

Well… not here.. but yes! in the Beta forums were I´ve been for years trying to convince them to fix bugs like the Particle Flow inestabilities mentioned here, but their freedom of move is limited and their resources are also limited and focused in things that are not user-driven.

And no! I would not tell anyone with max to hire a developer BECAUSE YOU CAN´T!!!

Medium studios HAVE developers for pipeline tools, and if they find a bug they can fix things for them so everything goes smoothly, ask any medium company if they would like to dig into max code to fix some bugs, you may be surprised by their reaction.

And 25M polys… it´s a small scene, I would need to see that scene to know what is happening, but I have much bigger scenes and blender is handling them perfectly find.

Cheers!

The only reason because no one touches it is because before fixing it they wanted to revamp the dependency graph, BUT that does not means that it could not be improved, before or after, but the core developers has other priorities, and they explained why they didn´t fixed it, it´s not a wall of silence were you don´t understand nothing, AND no one stops you from hiring a dev to fix it if it´s so important to your studio, and after that you can push that fix to the master code, it will be reviewed, they may ask your dev to fix some things to conform the code to the Blender code properly and if everything works well it will be included in Master wihtout a problem.

For ourselves for example, we learned how to circumvent that problem, and we don´t notice it anymore, usually the history works well and we re-do before Undo, except when it´s absolutely necessary.

Blender is not the answer to all problems!

No one said that, Blender is an awesome tool that works flawlessly and that can do amazing work, the core thing is, it is a proper alternative to 3dsmax, specially it´s a proper alternative to Autodesk abussive licensing schemes, business practices and absurd pricing.

Who said that you don`t know what you are doing??????

What I said is that you, personally, don´t know how to work with Blender, not as an offense but as a fact since you yourself said that you were trying Blender practically for the first time, I tried to give you some hints, because working with Blender is not the same as working with Max that is not the same as working with Houdini that is not the same that working with Maya.

Am I wrong?

Your experience saying that a scene with 5k objects and 25 Millions of polys is killing Blender means nothing, I mean, I would like to see the actual assets, the actual scene, and discover what the problem is, and do a proper comparison against the same scene in the same situation in max, I already gave you several hints 🙂
My current scene is 75 millions with 1k objects, without taking into account several things (like for example a linked group with 2000 plants is counted as 1 object) I already said, and I move it without a problem, also, not 75 millions in one object, but A LOT of objects, is just that I´ve managed the scene properly with the toolset I have in Blender

Do you think the scenes from “Man In The High Castle” are anything near to 25Million or even 200 million polys????? LOL

BTW I don´t ignore them because I like them, I never said that I don´t like these posts, I like the chat and I like to interchange opinions and experiences, there are others that don´t like me talking here unless I agree with them, but sincerily, I don´t care.

Cheers!

Yes… you throw your personal accusations and after that… hey, let´s agree to disagree LOL

Let´s say I´m doing your test and I don´t know what problem your asset has, your computer or your blender install, but I don´t have any problems at all.

In fact is max what is choking opening an OBJ with 5k objects with 5k polys each… here you have the video with 1 object with more than 25M in max and blender:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NhRY9zZigY

The results with singular objects are similar, but max choked importing the obj, after you see max starting the import you can stop viewing the video because so far it is still trying to do the import, I think I´ll have to kill it and try again, do I extrapolate this to any situation in max? nope, but in my experience this kind of hangs happen very often in max, have you tried importing anything from revit? (They improved in this review… I´m sure because half of times it hangs max and you can´t work for half a day finding a way to import the damn revit file)

Here you have the 5k objects 5k polys (or more) video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIpMLl8wLAM

I will upload the video of the max viewport with the scene when it manages to import the OBJ, that SIMPLE obj… that´s not a good way to test any software LOL you should know how to work with it before you discard it.

BTW all this is with Blender 2.79

Now, regarding the personal accusation, what I say is always my opinion, and I give my reasons, and yes, I try to share my convictions.

“You don’t explicitly write “you all have no clue”, but you implicitly do so by telling everyone they’re wrong to use the software they use.”

Do you tell anyone that disagrees with you that they are trying to tell you that you are wrong and they should not tell that to you?

“You keep saying things like “your experience means nothing” ”

What?

When did I despised your experience? with Blender, of course, I did it explicitely, you said that it was barely the first time you were opening it, but I explicitely said that, when did I despised the experience of ANYONE?

I never said “you all have no clue” but it´s clear that you feel that way, and after this test, it´s clear to me that you have no clue related to Blender, in good faith I tried to give you some hints on what the problem could have been, but it´s clear that you are not interested in trying anything, you just want to reaffirm your ideas and feel better, go on, no problem with that, but have one thing clear, your test is not a proper test.

Did I went to you and spoke to you personally and told you anything in the firts place? nope, you answered and entered in a conversation, you could have skipped it.

But I´m sorry, no, I can´t agree to disagree after you said several things about what I say that are simply not true, the thing here is that you feel that way, and I don´t understand why, but the human being is a mistery!

“That’s a tad dismissive at times”

As I said, for some reason you feel that way, you may know why, not me, but when I said that is becasue I think that if you properly present something to someone that can do the job and it´s not just way cheaper but with the source code at your hands to do whatever you want, they will probably, at least! do a proper testing, but not you, you prefer to pay and not investigate… just in case [put here whatever you think]

There may be other reasons to pick max, tons of them, even a completely subjective reason like “max is better because I love it”, ok, I don´t care at all, but that does not mean that other people that read all this will disagree with me, or that all this cannot make other people discover Blender, maybe, maybe not, I don´t know, but all I say it´s my opinion, based on my experince, yes, based also on others experiences and based on productions anyone can see, and based on talking personally and knowing personally people from “Theory Studios” or other small and medium studios.

But hey, you don´t answer about the scenes of “Man In The High Castle” that would have been impossible to do if your tests results were real.

Blender may not work for you, that´s perfect, but I´m convinced, and it is MY conviction, that it´s a proper tool for a majority of 3ds max users, and yes, I belive that, I may be right some times, I may be wrong some times, but it is MY opinion, you don´t like it? ignore it, you want to politely speak without doing judgement about what the other say? go on, I´m all into doing tests, helping people and recognizing when something does not work, like the crappy UNDO, but not in this way man, not doing some kind of moral judgment looking over the shoulder, because even when you felt that way, I never told you that you know nothing and you are wrong, infact you implied it and I explicitly said to you that I have not said that, that in any case I may say that you don´t know Blender, that´s a true thing based in your own words.

Just have one thing clear, your test has something wrong, I cannot know what if I cannot see it of course.

Oh, and BTW, all this started because Autodesk, a multibillion dollar multinational company to wich you are paying tons of money fixed 100 bugs in 3 months, and the Blender guys fixed 120 bugs in one week, and don´t say that the complexity of the bugs was incrdibily high because you can find the exact bugs solved and fixing a crash with some problem with the names of the biped is not rocket science LOL and the same reasoning could be viable for Blender guys.

Cheers!

I will, but don’t take me wrong, I don’t care about how much max lasts importing a file, I know as a fact that Blender is slower than max importing files.

The main thing here is that Blender viewport is perfectly working in the situation described, 5k objects with a grand total of 25 million polys, I show the Max loading time just because I did not want to edit the videos, it was a surprise to me that max hanged while importing the OBJ, I was looking for the viewport performance, not importing one, mas is usually faster than Blender in that regard.

BTW I had to kill max and it never get to load the OBJ, maybe at some point in the night if I let it loading it would finish, but I let it load for 1 hour or so with no luck.

Cheers!

Here you go, it took around 22 minutes, I can try opening the file in max again and recording it, but I won´t upload a 1 hour video in case it fails again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14Mhb6ww2Xs

Cheers!

Yes, and in 2.8 it should be even better of course 🙂

Sincerely I don´t care what you want to try, if you want help go to a Blender forum, or to Blender.chat or to many other places, I had good faith at the beginning right now,, I simply don´t care.

Also I don´t care about you liking Blender or not, or about you liking Adesk or not, you described a scene, I tested your description, your experience was not mine, and was not the same as others, I don´t care if it´s FBX or OBJ, it´s geometry, I don´t care it it´s a car or some donuts, it´s geometry, and you had a problem with 5k objects with 5k polys,l it is what I did… don´t care about the original format it came from and don´t care what that geometry represents, if you think you are right, hey, be my guest!

In the end all this is reduced to “you annoy me, please shut up”, and now you are menacing to scalate things (somehow… ) to “you are offending me! Shut up!”

You can read me or not, but I don´t take well any kind of mandate from anyone, I will freely speech if I want, you can always ignore me if this is offending you in any way, it´s your problem not mine, and in the same way I will ignore you from now on, I cannot stand people that want to rule over other people as if they had any kind of “power” over them.

Cheers.

That is your opinion, and I respect that 🙂 not everyone will like to test blender, and some others will make their decissions based on reading someone like me and saying “Why should I try a software that could be better, or not… but why should I seriouslyt try it? no… this guy talks too much… I don´t want to give that software an opportunity because this guy loves it too much so… I don´t want to be related to this guy… no matter if it will make my business more viable with more profit, or if some workflows could improve, or not, but I don´t want to discover it, I prefer to keep paying to Autodesk…”

I´m not saying that “you have absolutely no clue about what you are doing” like others would understand, I´m saying that I think that making that decission just because you don´t like me (or my comments) it´s not good, but it´s my opinion, take it as you want, but I will state oone thing very clear so no one understand this

I DO NOT SAY THAT YOU DON´T KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING, I RESPECT YOU, BUT I THINK WHAT YOU SAID IS NOT GOOD, BUT IT´S MY OPINION, MY OPINION THAT I AM FREE TO HAVE AND TO EXPRESS JUST LIKE YOU ARE FREE TO HAVE YOUR OWN AND EXPRESS THAT YOU DON´T LIKE WHAT I SAY AND THAT IN YOUR OPINION I´M WRONG WRITING ALL THIS AND SAYING ALL THOSE THINGS.

Sorry for the caps, but I had to make sure that this was clear, not just your comment, you know 🙂

And everything regarding the decission about trying Blender or not, that is in the case that you pay for your licenses, in wich case you would feel the pain more directly that if you don´t have to pay for them.

My posts are not constant anymore, this has been the first time that I posted in a similar thread since some long time, and if someone question me or talks to me I answer, like it or not 🙂

It´s just that you remember me with love!

BTW it´s funny to see how many people that is outside the Blender community criticizes the community.

You could try going to Blender.chat in any channel and you could try to argue that Max is better and that you don´t understand why all those people is using Blender and you will probably be amazed on how polite the community is.

In BlenderArtist there are some users that are radical ones, but as in any other community, users that will ask you to go talk to a different place, that you should not be there and that why are you saying such things to them… users that behave exactly like some users here, but I don´t think the communities are defnied by individuals, but by the larger representative group, so I think that you should not judge the community just by reading me, and also you should not judge the community just by some experience you had in the past, because I´ve been there and I´ve been insulted in the Blender community too in the past (long past, long before I started to use Blender) and the community is now much more mature and will treat you will.

BTW You are my guest to try Cinema 4D or Houdini as much as Blender!!! I just don´t speak too much about those two becasue I decided to go on with Blender, but I´m sure others would love much more those two, so don´t use Blender! Use C4D or Houdini!!!! 😀 (or don`t becasue I said you so)

Please take all this with a grain of humor.
(specially the first part where I pun you a bit, I understand your criticism but I disagree 🙂 )

Cheers!