Blender 2.8 armature display improvements

like so ? :

Not switch, just try to tone down the uneducated comments, the discourse does not benefit from those 🙂

As Juan said, things can be implemented, and users get actually listened to by developers.

Blender has everything you expect from a dcc app, and as you would expect from Cinema, max , Maya, Modo,etc, it has its own workflow.

On the advanced features, you have strong and weak points as in every other software.

I’m personally a Houdini Guy, but things like animation nodes in blender keep me amazed, we use vray for some projecs, Redshift for others and Cycles for some too.

Lastly I wanted to add, we don’t use Blender because it’s free, we actually have blender cloud accounts and donate to the found, I’m not saying switch to blender or spread the love, but spreading baseless hate just seems counterproductive.

It all depends on what a studio is trying to reach, I love Blender for characters, I absolutely love Bendy bones and the ability to use the amazing sculpting tools on animation, I don’t like how they manage particles and dynamics, but again, coming from houdini that is understandable.
I love that even though they have good animation and rigging tools, they are already thinking on how to rewrite them to keep them up to date, I love they are not afraid to rewrite parts of the main code like the dependency graph or that they remove legacy features to make the develpment effort future proof.

I also love this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UB8R_xPpaSc
even as a Houdini guy 🙂

At the end of the day there are many things that go into consideration to develop a pipeline, for a lot of parts of the pipeline blender is not only not far off, it is actually right where we want it to be.

May I ask why do you say that and we’re am I linking my Autodesk and/or abussive licensing schemes with Blender?

My criticism is one thing, but with Blender, I´m not going to try to force anyone, and what I answered here is the pure true, many people says “Blender is crap” or “it has half baked features” just because they tried it for a few days and they don´t find the way to solve their problems, answering by a phone I cannot give the exact steps to solve something, but I asked for what was the problem to try to help, and others did before me but, so I´m glad, and I agree, there is no need to switch if you don´t want too, the cool thing is that you can work with it besides your other tool.

When I say the “switch” word, is not to Blender, is to C4D, to Modoor to Blender, it is away from abussive licensing systems to avoid them from spreading on the industry.

Now you can call me whatever you want, but I always kept respect, and I´ll always do that,not like others that suggested I should be banned just for not following mainstream or for being active, I would never suggest to ban anyone because I don´t agree with his ideas…

The “you cannot have a clue since you disagree” reflex that you have shown here is everything but respectful. It’s epecially respectless to all the Blender users out there who doesn’t act like this.

Professionals are no morons. When they have a use for a tool, then they use it. And i could bet that nearly every professional has tested Blender at one point.

What you cannot do though is to convince professionals with ideology. They have to fill their frigerator. And Blender simply lacks in many areas.

You wanted a list? Fluid sim / particles, tree generation, post processing, animation, sculpting, there is simply no area where it makes sense to use Blender over the common industry solutions. It’s always a downgrade. Blender is not bad. But professionals needs best. Where it gets used where it shines: to fill some gaps. Blender is a jack of all trades.

Then there is also the GPL problem, which cuts off the professional plugin pipeline and prevents proper pipeline integration in general. And that’s why Blender will never play a big role in the industry. That quite a few addons are now even hidden behind a paywall doesn’t really make things better.

I see this “this year is the year of Blender in the industry” cheering since too many years. I would say it is save to say that this will never happen. For told reasons. It comes up every time when Blender is catching up a bit, like here with the realtime viewport. That’s something other apps have since years. It was simply about time that Blender does something here.

That said, Blender has come a long way and grown to a great 3D app. It’s just no industry solution. And never will be.

Then I think ideology should be the only thing I eat all day… because I run a business with Blender…

FLuid sim? I never said that you should not use Houdini or Real Flow for advanced fluid effects, but what do you think about Bifrost? there are specialized tools for specialized tasks, and there are generalist tools that can do the work pretty well without going outside of the tool.

Particles? I always said that Blender particles are somewhat crap… but they have it´s uses, and they are very well defined, no one is telling you that Blender Particles will do whatever you want, in the same fashion that Particle Flow works so amazingly well and is so entrusting that Thinking Particles exists.

Tree Generation? Really? you consider that a basic tool? wich tree generation tool do you have inside Max or Maya with the vanilla package? if you refer to plugins, yes, Max has some cool plugins, so do Blender. But if you are talking about instancing… I agree with Animatect, do a bit more research please.

Post Process? Agent 327 was fully post processed in Blender, do that means that I´m saying that Blender is comparable to Nuke? NO, not at all, but again it has a great toolset that you cannot find in any other package, maybe in Houdini I think, but what are we talkign about? A post process tool or a 3d tool? Oh… wait… it´s a 3d tool… but it can do avanced post process, like for example setup a node tree to use motion vectors to generate motion blur all at the same time as the final render so you don´t need to generate motion blur in post… but of course that is an option because you can have multiple outputs with multiple results all at the same time in the same render time, do it lacks things? Of course!

Animation? Are you conscious of the Blender animation tools? do you know them? do you know the different rig systems available? I sincerily ask you that, because the Blender animataion tools are pretty awesome in general, it lacks a few things, but it has some counterparts that solve the problem, but do you have animation sculpt in max? Oh yes! you have it… as a paid plugin…

Sculpting? I recommend you watching Yan Sculpts youtube channel, with that said, no one will hear me compare Blender with Zbrush, but the second place, IMHO, goes to Blender, and I reafirm what I said in the past, it is better than Mudbox in general, but that is only my opinion, you can think whatever you want.

What more? many things… but an important one, GPL… you see it as a problem, I see it as a safeguard, a matter of opinions again, if a company wants a plugin to work with Blender, there are ways to do it, it´s a matter of business, if enough users use Blender, if enough studios use Blender, don´t worry, you will see many known plugins coming to Blender, the GPL won´t be a problem in the end.

I don´t know if this is the year of Blender or not, whaat I know is that several studios that used to use other tools are now using Blender, and this is a trend, does this means that Autodesk will be finished tomorrow? nope, and if the correct their path maybe that won´t happen, but if the don´t, it´s a matter of time.

I don´t know where do you see ideology here, in the past I already made and showed the numbers to demonstrate that Autodesk licensing scheme is abusive, plus a lot of danger that is directly trespassed to the user, plus the lack of need of improvement, but again this is the way I see things, but it´s not ideology, and I don´t try to convince anyone with any ideology, I try to use reasoning, if you don´t like it, great! don´t like it 🙂

I never said professionals are morons, but many professionals opened Blender one time in their lives and they think it´s crap because the way of working of Blender is not the same as Maya or Max, and they simply don´t have time to dedicate to somethign that has no clear target for them, but precisely what I say is that many pros say Blender is crap having used it for a few minutes, and I´ve helping a lot of friends that are pros to understand Blender and how it works and where are some tools, and we´ve looked together with tools we missed, and I personally did some tools I missed from Max, but I can say one thing in my own name, I don´t miss max at all, again, my opinion, you don´t agree? ok 🙂

But this phrase: “It’s just no industry solution. And never will be”

This has no reasoning behind it, and I said this many times… what industry?

Cheers.

What industry?

Character Animation? Technical Animation? Previz? Arch/Viz? Mechanical? Engineering? Motion graphics? etc… there are A LOT of industries, and it seems that you think all the industries are the same 3D uniform industry… that´s not the case, but it is clear that you keep trying to offend or somethign similar, so probably not much talk here 🙂

You gave some examples and I explained you why I think those are not examples for that, no freak out… explaining things, maybe you perceived differently.

My argumentation is “flawed and biased, as expected”… but you don´t say why… I said in my argumentation that you CAN NOT compare Blender with Nuke, AT ALL! but the compositor in Blender gives you great power and it all depends on the project and on the needs, I´ll repeat: Blender DOES NOT replace any compositing software, you can work with it if you want, and for some things is great, but is not the same as Nuke or Fusion or After Effects… I think you read what you want…

I used Max and Maya for over 18 years… and now I use Blender… I think I have some experience to compare, but you may disagree if you want, and as I said I run my business based on Blender now, you don´t believe in Blender as a proper pro tool? it is your opinion, cool! 🙂

Disrespectful? Please quote me where I´ve been disrespectful, and I´ll retract, it is not my intention, but maybe you read things a bit more violent than what I write… it´s the problem with written communication, if you are offended by my word, I´m sorry, but I disagree with you, my relation with the Blender community is pretty good 🙂

And in general my criticism here has no relation with Blender, no more than when someone asks what do I use or what is the alternative in my opinion, I answer with my actual opinion, as I said… my criticism is with Autodesk licensing scheme, it´s abusive scheme.

You can be as ashamed as you want, I have no fanboyism here, I put reasons on why I have specfic opinions, and I stand by my reasoning, if you don´t like it, it´s your problem, but I answer in detail and trying to communicate my reasoning behind my words, if that is fanboyism for you, ok, fairwell 🙂

Cheers!

Everyone here is passionate, good, why not.
I think the truth is more is the middle.

Change is coming, slowly but surely, it is true that studios are here to produce pro work and they’ll use what works.
But more and more pros are using Blender when needed, it doesn’t mean they’ll replace Maya, of course not.
I can speak for Paris and I can tell you that you see it a lot more in pipelines, for pro work, TV, commercials, Indie games etc… sometimes it’s the freelancers that model with it and sometimes it’s the studios themselves.
Here is a nice example with Eevee already in use for a concert (5k rendering) : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=at9V07YXYps (sorry it’s in french).

The world is a big place, you have the Blizzards and Wetas and then ten of thousands of smaller studios and freelancers.

I’m happy that I keep reading more about mid size studios having some use of Blender.

I started learning and it’s a very cool software. I would prefer to just study Blender if it were more used. At least I’m supporting Blender Foundation how I can. Hopefully that change will happen.

Could you please stop putting more and more words into my mouth to let you look right? Could you please stop telling the world that you are the only one with a clue here?

It’s nice to be passionated. But walls of text, word twisting and personal attacks will definitely not convince me from your point of view. Thanks.

What I don´t understand is why are you so angry…

I am not angry. I am more mildly annoyed about your discussion methodic here. I do not like this behaviour. And so i answer.

I was triggerted by your first statement. Which basically exaggerated says everybody who disagrees with you that Blender is the greatest app in the universe is a clueless moron, and hasn’t touched it for more than 5 minutes. Well, here i am, using Blender not just since five minutes but since 10 years, know it in and out.

AND I DISAGREE! 😉

And i simply don’t want to live in a world that is dominated by overpassionated fans. This is not Blender Artists, this is the real thing. That’s why i raised my voice here. Again, here you can see what overpassionated fans does: https://blenderartists.org/t/i-received-a-death-threat-today/1110392

You are not this far away from this behaviour here. Every answer from you is more agressive. And introduces more and more points that i have never said nor meant. For example: “you say it cannot be used in production” is the typical straw man argument. I never said this. I say it’s the weaker solution. And professionals usually uses best solutions.

To repeat, you can even do post processing with Paint. And of course also with Blender. But just morons would really use Blender for compositing when they can use Natron, Fusion or Nuke instead. That’s simply my opinion at it. And Natron is free and open source, in case you eagerly want to use something free.

Compositing IS one of those half baked features for sure. Video Editing IS one of those half baked features. Particles IS one of those half baked features. And the more you dig in the tools the more things you find that are not as good as they could or should be. That’s what makes them half baked. And don’t get me started at UI and usability …

As told numerous times now, Blender is a jack of all trades, but a master of none. And you feel it. You can under some circumstances integrate it into a Pipeline. But it is simply not made to BE the pipeline. Not when you want to be able to compete.

When you know this, and you find nevertheless a place for Blender in your pipeline, then all is well with it.

The “you disagree, you cannot have a clue” reflex that you showed here, and that you constantly repeat, is not well though. That’s what made me join the discussion. And what holds me in the discussion.

are you an expert in Blender?

Still stuck at the “you disagree, you cannot have a clue” argument? 🙂

Yes i am. I do 3D since 20 years, and i use Blender since 10 years. I know its strong sides, i know its weak sides. I even wrote some addons and modified the source code to my needs.